“The Two Pope”, 2019 Movie, Pure Fiction — Rather Than Faction &, Moreover, Riddled With Technical Errors.
Beautifully crafted, well acted movie though the MAIN storyline is pure, unadulterated fiction.
Yes, in December 2011 ‘Francis’ (then Bergoglio) would have, per Canon Law, had to have tendered his RETIREMENT, by letter, to Benedict XVI. That was because he had turned 75. The retirement would have been from being the Archbishop of Buenos Aires. This is rote. All Bishops, irrespective of standing, must tender a letter of retirement upon turning 75. It is up to the pope to accept & there are instances when the pope might take 5-years to do so. The retirement would NOT have been a BIG deal. Bergoglio would NOT have disappeared from the Church. He could have still carried on his work in Argentina, albeit as a CARDINAL — a retired Archbishop. I think we have about 40 cardinals in this category as I write.
Plus, though it was rumored he was runner up in the 2005 conclave, Bergoglio, in 2012, was by no means the favorite to be the next Pope — especially not so in Benedict XVI’s eyes. All that was rubbish.
What disturbed me much was the rank technical errors to do with the conclaves. Those should not have occurred. Easy enough to have got right. They could have JUST checked one of my books. SMILE. (Yes, the “The Next Pope 2011” book was still good & accurate.)
Let me just list a few of the most egregious.
- They do NOT, let me REPEAT, do NOT, use ‘bingo balls’ to keep track of who has voted. That is so, so stupid. The cardinals vote per their precedence — which is also how they are seated. They get up, in a row, one-after-the-other, & go place their ballot. You don’t need bingo balls to keep track. All can see the cardinals voting in sequence. Where they got that was STUPID.
- The new pope does NOT appear on the balcony as the Habemus Papam is being announced. In 2013 there was a 30-minute gap between the Habemus Papam & Francis appearing on the balcony. In 2005 the gap was shorter BUT there is an interval, so that banners can be draped, before the new pope appears.
- The new pope CERTAINLY does not, causally, pick up his new white zucchetto from a shirt box in the Sistine sacristy as he is leaving it. There is a ceremony in which the white zucchetto is presented to the new pope by the Secretary of the Conclave! That was stupid.
- In 2013 Francis did NOT say “May God forgive you for what you have done in my regard” at the Conclave. He said it much later, in jest, over dinner. It was John Paul I, in 1978, who said it at the conclave. Jeez.
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It will be uncanny — for those that lived through the U.S. 2020 presidential election.
It will be deja vu, but this time in the context of the Church.
Yes, since 1870 (or thereabouts) most conclaves pivoted on ‘right’ (traditionalist/conservative) vs ‘left’ (‘modernist’/liberal) considerations.
But, as with the U.S. (& Trump), Pope Francis has brought this to ‘a head’.
There is polarization like never before — both in the U.S. & the Church.
The HUGE, insurmountable difference between the U.S. election & the conclave, however, being that unlike U.S. citizens, Catholics have NO SAY. Not even Catholic priests, bishops or archbishops. Just (at most) 120 cardinal electors hand-picked by Popes Francis, Benedict XVI & John Paul II. Papal elections are NOT democratic. Papal elections hark back to the fiefdoms of the 13th century.
But, the battle will be real & bitter.
It will hark back to Vatican II — ’80’-years ago. It will be a ding-donger.
Stay tuned. I will keep you posted.
A friend (& collaborator), a devout, lifelong Catholic asked me to address this.
So, I am.
One could assume that God will NOT allow this to happen.
If so this is all academic.
There are essentially 4 scenarios:
- Francis, prior to anything going awry, issues an edit that the conclave can be delayed.
Highly, highly UNLIKELY. Popes hate having the papacy vacant — on the valid premise that ‘when the cat is away the mice will play‘.
- Francis, prior to anything going awry, issues an edit permitting secure, remote voting.
Unlikely, and the Vatican will struggle trying to implement, in time, a proven, secure methodology to permit totally untraceable vote casting.
- Cardinal electors already in Rome and those able to travel will hold a conclave and ‘openly’ elect an ELDERLY caretaker pope with a tacit understanding that he will resign (per Benedict XVI) in June 2021.
- Cardinal electors already in Rome and those able to travel will hold a conclave and elect a new pope — with no caveats.
The issue, of course, is the travel restrictions.
Italian quarantine rules per se will NOT apply since the Vatican is its own independent sovereign state.
There is NO airport at the Vatican, but there is a helipad. So, cardinal electors could be choppered in from a nearby country that permits air travel — e.g., Croatia.
As I have repeatedly pointed out in my various ‘conclave’ books there is NO minimum quorum for a conclave. NONE. But, there is the sacrosanct two-thirds majority requirement. So, just 3 electors will suffice. It would not be difficult to muster 40 cardinal electors in/around Rome — at any given time.
Pope John XXIII was elected in 1958 by 51 electors. So, you don’t need 100+ electors to elect a good pope!
The current Dean, 85-year old Giovanni Battista Re would make a good caretaker pope. I think most electors will agree that he is trustworthy. Angelo Scola, 78, might be a great compromise — a cross between a caretaker and ‘normal’.
So, those, per I, are the only 4 meaningful and relevant scenarios.
Guruge 2020 Papabili Series — #IV
Angelo Scola, the eternal ‘bridesmaid’ (so to speak), will turn 79 in November, 2020. That would be another psychological strike against him though we have had two 79-year olds elected as pope, albeit both in the 17th-century.
Age, ironically, is the biggest strike against him. 78 is pushing it. If elected before he turns 79 he will be the 4th (possibly 3rd) oldest to be elected (albeit as of 1400).
Yes, there is, as is now the case with nearly all Italian cardinals, a whiff of scandal attached to him. He is supposed to have Mafia connections! Sacré bleu. He is Italian. What do you expect? I don’t think the electors will worry about that. It could even be an advantage. An Italian pope with Mafia connections.
He was papabile in BOTH 2005 & 2013. In 2013 he was extremely papabile. He was my #4 pick.
Well, in 2013, the extremely influential & well-connected ‘Italian Conference of Bishops’ issued a Press Release congratulating Scola as soon as they saw the white smoke above the Sistine! They were so sure that Scola would be the next pope.
Scola, in 2020, prior to November, will be the pope of last resort. If all other avenues does not lead to the 2/3rd majority.
Yes, he will be a caretaker a pope — hopefully for 4- to 5-years.
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Guruge 2020 Papabili Series — #I
Then in December 2019 his fellow cardinal bishops elected him Vice Dean. They elected Cardinal Battista Re (b. Jan. 1934) as Dean. So, Re is already past 80 and as such will not be able to participate in the next conclave. Thus, it would be Sandri who will be the acting ‘Dean’ (the role that Re had in 2013). Being acting ‘Dean’ is certainly not a negative vis-à-vis being a papabile. Benedict XVI (i.e., Cardinal Ratzinger) was the Dean in 2005 when he was elected pope. As ‘Dean’ the electors can never lose sight of you. You are always there in the conclave — center stage, orchestrating proceedings.
But, Sandri has two definite strikes against him:
- He is another Latin American — with Francis having been the first. The electors may feel that two Latin American popes, with very similar outlooks and temperament, back-to-back might be a tad too much, particularly so in that Francis was the first from across the Atlantic. So that is Strike #1.
- Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the famous Vatican whistleblower, has explicitly implicated Sandri in the sex abuse mire by stating that he was actively involved in the coverup of the egregious sexual misconducts of the Legionary of Christ founder, Marciel Maciel. That should be Strike #2.
His age could start to become a factor. He is currently 76 and getting older.
Francis & John XXIII were elected at 76 and Benedict XVI at 78. So, he is still ‘good’ but his age could be half-a-strike against him.
Then, there is his friendship with Francis. Francis is not as popular among the electors as had been Benedict XVI or John Paul II. So, this could be a negative, quarter-of-a-strike against him.
He, despite these strikes, remains papabile.
So, do not rule him out as yet.
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Pope Francis In Creating New Cardinals On October 5, 2019, Will AGAIN Disregard Conclave Requirements.
None of the 4 popes since that law was passed, viz., John Paul I, John Paul II, Benedict XVI & Francis, have changed that Law — though three of them (i.e., the latter 3) have at one time or another created too many electors such that there numbers exceeded 120.
If there were to be a conclave when the elector count is above 120 there could be problems.
There are no guidelines nor precedents for sorting it out. It would be ‘unruly’ and ‘unbecoming’.
As the top figure shows Francis, at each of his six consistories, has exceeded that 120 limit.
John Paul II nor Benedict XVI were never so egregious — i.e., violate the 120 limit at each of their cardinal-creating consistories.
But, no so Francis. He really thinks he is special. A maverick. That it makes him look cool to disregard the Laws!
Yes, I will concede that 4 current electors will AGE-OUT (i.e., reach 80 and thus become non-electors) within 10-days of this consistory. But, that still leaves 4 OVER the count. Barring deaths there will NOT be another aging-out until February 25, 2020, and the next after that is on April 17, 2020. Even after that, barring deaths, we will still be 2 over the 120. That is over 7 months.
This is not good.
Francis can fix this with a simple memo. Yep. He is all powerful when it comes to Church Laws. He can remove the 120 limit all together or increase it. But, he hasn’t.
Not good. Unbecoming.
Also, worth remembering. On Sunday, on his way to announce this consistory, Francis got stuck in an elevator for 25-minutes. Not a good omen.
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As soon as I saw this in the U.K. “Daily Mail” (which I scan multiple times a day) I knew I would be remiss if I didn’t share it with you.
You have to hand it to us Brits. Not only did we invent the very meaningful ‘Standard British Handful’ (SBH) measurement for breasts, but we are also indefatigable when it comes to researching anything and everything related to the mammary glands.
Well this ‘Figure 8’ claims destroys one of my few worthwhile contributions to science and education!
Yes. Way back when I was 18 I came up with a memorable discovery that helped many get through the intricacies of college level physics. I claimed it was ‘Simple Harmonic Motion‘ as I describe in this post.
Well this research my vindicate my assertions. I will try and keep you posted.
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The above from ‘NPR‘ and ‘The New York Times‘.
Alas Archbishop (Retired) Carlo Maria Viganò has ‘A HISTORY’
which puts his credibility on the line.
This is pretty dramatic and unprecedented!
Asking a pope to resign is not a common practice — especially since Pope’s did not typically resign or retire, for whatever reason, until Benedict XVI did so in February 2013, out of the blue. So, asking for a pope to resign didn’t carry any weight prior to that because it was something pope’s didn’t do.
When popes were asked to resign, i.e., abdicate, which was fairly common long time ago it was usually done by an Emperor, a synod, a Council or another pope!
So, for an archbishop to gpo public with this is HUGE. The pope could excommunicate him. I don’t think the pope can do much more — legally.
The problem, here, alas, is that Carlo Maria Viganò now has a history of accusing popes and others of corruption. He figured MAJORLY in Vatileaks. He is a known troublemaker and has already been ‘punished’ (i.e., demoted etc.)
But, this is good.
More people should ask for the pope to resign.
Now if it came from a cardinal we really could have some fireworks.
P.S., I do believe that Benedict XVI retired because he knew that the Clerical Child Abuse Crimes were going to come around to BITE HIM.
This is HUGE!
First real resignation of a Catholic Cardinal in 90-years.
The FIRST Cardinal to resign in the now 20-year(+) Sex Abuse scandal.
A major turning point for the Catholic Church. A coming of age so to speak. The Church and a pope finally taking some meaningful action against pedophile priests.
For a cardinal to resign (from the ‘College of Cardinals’) a pope must accept the resignation.
Popes are reluctant to do so because it makes Cardinals appear human! Popes want to convey the image that Cardinals, like Popes, are beyond reproach and cannot be judged on Earth. Well, this has, AT LAST (at last) broken the pattern. For that we need to thank Pope Francis. For once he has played the ‘White Man’ after he looked a fool in the way he handled O’Brien.
Pope John Paul II, Benedict XVI & Francis allowed two prior scumbags Bernard (bloody) Law (the Outlaw) and Keith “I Lied” O’Brien to remain as cardinals despite their blatant abuse — O’Brien, like McCarrick accused of having his own way with young men. Disgusting.
This is good. A real turning point.
McCarrick will never stand trial. He is 89 and they will let him die … That is their way.
But, this is a good day. Rejoice.
Pope Formosus (‘Beautiful’), Of The Infamous ‘Cadaver Synod’, Became Pope This Day, 1,126-Years Ago.
Formosus, which is assumed to be an assumed name, means ‘beautiful’ in Latin!
Formosus, who was pope for but 4.5 years, is best known for his role, posthumously, in the ‘Cadaver Synod‘.
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